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Krumel
06-22-2008, 11:45 AM
Here are things Jill says you don’t “need” to do or are myths about SEO:

* Submitting to a search engine
* Need a Google sitemap
* Frequent spidering helps rankings
* PPC ads will help or hurt organic rankings
* Must have keywords in domain names and URLs
* H tags are necessary
* Words in meta keyword tag need to be in content
* Copy must be a certain number of words. (LOL, Jill says she “made that up” 7 years ago (250 words) for a presentation)
* Must be a specific keyword density
* Should optimize for 1 keyword phrase per page
* You need to optimize for the long tail
* Duplicate content will get your site penalized
* HTML code must validate to W3C
* Navigation must be text links not images
* Can’t use Flash
* Google’s link: command is useful
* Pages rank in PageRank order
* You must be in DMOZ and/or Yahoo directory

Note from Lee: At face value without context, many of these “myths” are pretty controversial. Oversimplifying SEO tips can lead to interpretations that may hurt more than help. It’s worth exploring each in more detail as they apply to each web site’s individual situation.

Next up was Lyndsay Walker from WestJet who has been practicing SEO the past few years and has been developing web sites for over 10 years.

Don’t:

* Use the same title tags for every page. You have around 65 characters to work with and use unique keywords according to content on the page.
* Overuse meta tags. Use the description tag because it’s used in the search results and can motivate a click through.
* Stuff keywords in the meta tags. Keyword meta tag might be used somewhat by Yahoo, but it’s pretty much useless for SEO.
* Use hidden text such as white on white text or hidden with a div tag. You’ll get penalized.
* Use doorway pages made only for search engines. This is an old tactic not much in use anymore.
* Duplicate your content exactly. Some duplication is ok. It can happen even if you don’t mean to. WestJet has different sub-domains showing the same content and can cause issues.
* Publishing before you are ready. Don’t put up content and link to it. Search engines will find it.
* Bury links in JavaScript navigation such as drop down menus. Use CSS instead.
* Use too many parameters in your URLs. Rewrite a simpler URL.
* Stuff keywords in your Alt tags (alt text).
* Use images when CSS will do.
* Use inline CSS. Better to put CSS into an external document and link to it.
* Use Flash to replace content.

Linking Don’ts

* Attempt to get hundreds or thousands of links at once (especially paid or automated).
* Engage in irrelevant link exchanges.
* Participate in link directories. Get links from pages with content instead.
* Participate in link farms.
* Focus all inbound links to the home page.
* Register lots of domains using fake names and addresses.
* Get green pixel envy (PageRank in Google Toolbar).

Tech Don’ts

* Guess what you should do with robots.txt. Make sure you’re using the right information.
* Have multiple URL variations pointing to the home page. ie, different home page links. Lyndsay says you should use 301 redirect.

How do you push back when your boss wants you to implement inappropriate SEO tactics:

* Take the moral high ground
* They hired you as an expert, they should listen to you
* Taking that risk might risk your job
* Do it right the first time
* Fight the good fight and resist temptation to go to the “dark side”.
* You can win without dirty tricks.
* Don’t gamble with your brand and be patient.
* Get over algorithm updates.

Remember who you are optimizing for, users. Don’t forget to communicate with your development team.

Un rezumat din discutiile de la SES Toronto (http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/06/ses-toronto-seo-donts-myths-and-scams/)

Scorillo
06-23-2008, 02:50 AM
... si asa se duce pe apa sambetei cam jumatate din ce-am citit prin alte parti ca ar fi "a must do" in SEO. la cate informatii si sfaturi sunt, care se bat cap in cap, nici nu mai stii pe cine sa crezi, iar timp de experimente, personal, nu am. :D nasoala mai e viata de SEO-ist... nu stiu cum va descurcati.

Krumel
06-23-2008, 10:40 AM
Scorillo, hai sa discutam. Poate le interpretezi gresit.

Un SEO bun e tot timpul up to date.

Scorillo
06-23-2008, 12:56 PM
pai eu am citit pe unele site-uri de SEO ca "H tags are necessary", "Must be a specific keyword density" (parca intre 5 si 7% ziceau) si ca "Must have keywords in domain names and URLs".

Krumel
06-23-2008, 01:26 PM
Poate Jill face SEO in alt mod.

H-urile sint necesare.
Densitatea de cuvinte cheie e utila.
Nu e neaparat sa ai un cuvint cheie in numele de domeniu.

Scorillo
06-23-2008, 01:30 PM
pai... pentru tine e simplu: tu deja stii ce e si cu ce se mananca SEO. pune-te in situatia unui n00b ca mine: X e SEO guru si zice ca asa e bine; Y e alt SEO guru care face treburile oarecum altfel. tu probabil, din experienta, deja observi dintr-o privire cand cineva bate campii despre SEO, eu insa nu-mi dau seama. si raman ca un celebru personaj: "eu cu cine votez??"

Krumel
06-23-2008, 01:34 PM
Tu nu votezi, tu intrebi, aflii si analizezi..eventual experiementezi.
Daca ai chef, le luam pe toate la rand cu argumente si exemple.

Invatam toti asa. :)

Scorillo
06-23-2008, 01:47 PM
ok, uite cele 2 chestii care ma deruteaza pe mine cel mai mult in primul post: H tags si cuvintele din meta keyword trebuie sa fie in continut.
si eu stiam ca tag-urile H sunt necesare, insa iata ca Jill zice ca nu :confused:. la fel si cu keywords... adica daca eu am un site despre tutoriale Photoshop si bag in meta keywords "aragaze", am vreo sansa de a urca in cautari dupa termenul "aragaze"? si la urma urmei cum naiba poti ajunge in situatia sa nu ai cuvintele din meta keywords in continutul site-ului??

Krumel
06-23-2008, 02:04 PM
Headings-urile sint importante, in opinia mea. Am folosit si folosesc headings-urile si diferenta s-a cunoscut, comparativ cu site-uri care nu aceau asa ceva.

Meta keyword se zice ca nu ar mai fi bagate in seama de mult timp de catre Google, cel putin. Exista in schimb alte motoare de cautare care tin cont de ele. Util sau inutil, eu obisnuiesc sa le pune ptr ca e un meta html, de care motoarele se pot folosi de ele, si nu un element definit de un motor de cautare.

Un element definit de un motor de cautare ar fi noodp meta tag sau noyahoo meta tag care au fost inventate pentru a evita anumite probleme pe care motoarele de cautare le aveau si pe care webmasterii nu le doreau.

bloggero
06-25-2008, 01:53 PM
Eu merg pe ideea ca e mai bine sa le ai, cit timp nu abuzezi de ele nu au cum sa iti dauneze pot doar sa te ajute.

Iozoo
06-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Meta keyword se zice ca nu ar mai fi bagate in seama de mult timp de catre Google, cel putin.
In orice caz, Meta keyword este un loc bun unde poti ajusta densitatea cuvintelor target !;)
Este bine de folosit moderat (adica daca vrei sa maresti procentul la un cuvant, NU trebuie sal inscrii in Meta keyword de 50 de ori :) )

2sharp
07-04-2008, 01:10 AM
* Google’s link: command is useful

* Copy must be a certain number of words. (LOL, Jill says she “made that up” 7 years ago (250 words) for a presentation)

* You need to optimize for the long tail

Imi explica si mie cineva ce inseamna astea 3? Eu n-am nici cea mai vaga idee. :(

ringwraith
07-09-2008, 05:52 PM
Multe din chestiile din lista pot fi intrepretate. Nu sunt obligatorii, insa e bine sa fie luate in seama:

* Need a Google sitemap

- nu ai nevoie, insa e bine sa o ai, mai ales daca nu ai avut grija sa faci sistemul de navigatie in site cum trebui

* Must have keywords in domain names and URLs

- nu trebuie sa le ai, insa ajuta sa le ai

* H tags are necessary

- nu sunt necesare insa ajuta sa le pui, intr-un procent mic (in general pe long tales, pe keywords competitive mai putin)

* Copy must be a certain number of words. (LOL, Jill says she “made that up” 7 years ago (250 words) for a presentation)

- cum motorul incearca sa rankeze pagini relevante, ce au continut bun, e important sa ai o anumita cantitate de content pe o pagina catalogata ca articol/stire etc. O cifra exacta nu se poate spune, insa eu unul sunt pentru peste 250 de caractere

* Must be a specific keyword density

- densitatea keyword-urilor e complexa, insa ideea e ca e bine sa folosesti keyword-urile si variatiile lor in content, atat timp cat utilizarea lor e naturala si nu deranjeaza cititorul

* Duplicate content will get your site penalized

- duplicate-ul nu duce la penalizare, insa duce la declasarea paginilor. Astfel, acestea nu isi pot atinge adevaratul lor potential la care ar putea aspira daca nu ar fi "trase in jos" de duplicate-uri. Si na, conteaza daca ai 2 pagini duplicate per articol sau 10...

Just my 2 cents :)

Krumel
07-09-2008, 06:04 PM
SEO e o insumare de factori. Nu toti sint importanti, dar sint utili.

Depinde de strategiile fiecaruia.